Aug 8, 2019
Live, from the arctic circle,
please welcome Fredrik Prost. This is such an interesting episode.
One day I’m watching epic nature shows from NatGeo about a group of
people subsisting in the freezing arctic tundra on nothing but
reindeer and fish, the next day I’m talking to one of
them.
He originally contacted me to
politely correct me on something I mentioned in a post on Instagram
that I read in a study about his people. The study claimed that
sometimes the reindeer were too lean for them to get enough fat to
eat. That’s not the case he said. They boil the heads to get all
that good fat from the brain, eat the bone marrow, and even eat the
hooves. There’s always enough fat on an animal.
We talked about this and so much
more. He told me how his people are being affected by anti-meat
activists. He told me about his parents early demise due to (in his
mind and mine) the bread and sugar they began eating and going away
from their native diet. He told me about their lost traditions and
the ones they keep. He told me about the steady decline in lifespan
and healthspan that drops markedly over each generation.
This is one of those rare treats
where we get a window into another world. I don’t know if any other
one of his people have given a podcast interview and he told me he
plans to not ever do one again. Please stay tuned for this one to
the very end, it’s a good one...
But first, I want to have some
real talk about my grass finished meat on http://nosetotail.org
I know it’s a bit more expensive
to eat grass finished, really well-raised meat. I’m having trouble
affording it myself. I mean, I don’t even eat all my own product.
Like I’ve said many times, there’s no money in well-raised meat.
There’s just no profit margin. I should be just selling some keto
snack bar or supplement and might be able to afford grass finished
meat and ultra sustainable wild caught seafood for every single
meal.
This is just the price it takes
to get animals from calves to slaughter to your door. If you go to
costco and see frozen ground beef patties with a label saying grass
fed for a couple more dollars than conventional beef, I’d be highly
suspect. All cows are grass fed for much of their life so some of
these labels can be very deceiving. If it sounds too good to be
true, it probably is. Even when I go to my local farmers market
where they drive the meat straight from their farm in a bunch of
coolers, it still costs $20/lb at best for a ribeye.
So anyway, support your local
farmer. If you don’t know of any or prefer to just click a few
buttons online you can support a small Texas ranch and myself by
ordering from http://NoseToTail.org
Thanks so much, I really
appreciate all the people who have ordered so far. It’s a dream of
mine to help supply good meat to people and support American
ranchers.
I’ll also thrown in the Food
Lies film here, which is still available for preorder on Indiegogo.
You can also support me on
Patreon at http://patreon.com/peakhuman
I’ve got some fun news - I’ve
been asked to speak at a big food industry conference called
Foodscape in Chicago at the end of September. I mention it in this
episode. I’m going to do a presentation on why meat is a healthy
part of our diet and actually beneficial for the environment. Then
a vegan lady will giver her side, then we’ll have a friendly debate
with a 3rd person who represents a vegan fake meat company. This is
my dream come true! Most of the giant food companies will be there
including Impossible Foods. I really hope to reach people in the
audience and hopefully even in these big organizations and have
them hear the other side. It will be interesting if they accept
some of these counterarguments, or it is just about the
money.
Well that’s all folks, as the
cartoons used to say, here’s Fredrik sharing his words of wisdom
from the North.
SHOW NOTES
- Fredrik Prost lives in the Arctic Circle in
northern Sweden
- Where
he lives is very remote, it’s 100 miles to the nearest
town
- Every
summer he herds reindeers
- It is
a traditional way of living for the Saami to follow the
reindeer
- That’s all they eat for months at a
time
- Brian
wrote a post about the Saami eating fish for fat because the
reindeer was too lean but Fredrik reached out to correct him saying
the reindeer are not too lean in fact it’s the fish are very
lean
- Reindeer in the end of September are very
fat
- In
summer, they go out in the Tundra to follow the herds and mark the
calves
- One
herd can take up to 24 hours and they eat dried meat and
traditionally would live in teepees they carry with
them
- His
parents did it traditionally carrying the teepees around with them
but now they stay in more of a camp
- Herding has changed with modernization and
civilization
- Environmentalists affected the use, trade, and
sell of seal skin
- Herding starts around 6pm depending on how many
herds there are and how far away they are and can take all night to
funnel them into a pen
- By
around 5-6am they will be calm and grazing on pasture in the large
pen all day and they will start again the next
day
- Fredrik describes how they find and follow the
herd
- Herding goes on for about a month
- When
he isn’t herding reindeer, Fredrik makes handicraft (knives,
sculptures, cups, etc.)
- He
always knew health is determined by food and lifestyle even when no
one was talking about it
- He
tries to eat as traditionally as he can
- Indigenous groups don’t experience these modern
diseases
- When
indigenous populations start eating a westernized diet that’s when
their health fails
- His
dad died at 96, and just two weeks before he was still able to ski
20km to go see a neighbor
- “Live
strong and healthy and drop dead”
- Saami
health is declining with each generation
- We
are dying now younger and frail and weak vs dying strong at an
older age
- His
parents lost their health when they adopted the dietary
recommendations like eating whole grains, no limits on sugar, low
saturated fat, etc.
- This
generation was also the same generation that started losing their
teeth
- If
your teeth are rotting it’s probably a good indication of the wrong
diet
- Both
his parents died at a young age from dementia and heart
disease
- The
older traditional people used to tell them that vegetables were bad
and they would make them sick
- The
Saami traditional diet is 90% meat but in the summer they eat
berries and some fermented leaves
- The
idea of carbohydrates in the summer to fatten up for
winter
- Learning from bears: bears will eat reindeer
calves in the spring and will eat salmon in the summer, in the fall
they will eat tons of berries to fatten up for hibernation, this is
the same for humans
- Saami
people and genetics
- APOE4
is common among Saami people
- Saami
people have a certain polymorphism in that helps them digest and
take energy more effectively from animal foods (28% of Saami people
have this compared to only 2.3 % in Chinese)
- The
Saami eat nose to tail
- The
intestines are made into sausages, using the tougher meat on the
animal
- They
eat eggs from a special type of bird that lives in the
lakes
- They
eat a lot of fish and fish roe too
- They
eat berries in the summer until fall
- Traditional story about the Saami people making
a deal with the reindeer, promising them a quick and painless death
in exchange for their meat and milk
- Animals in nature die horrible deaths from
other animals
- Fredrik is trying to prevent the Saami
organizations from partnering with EAT Lancet and promote
plant-based diets
- Gunhild Stordalen (from EAT Lancet) says she is
an environmentalist but Saami are environmentalists by
birth
- The
environment and preserving the land and animals
- The
“overkill” or “over hunted” hypothesis doesn’t make sense to
Fredrik he has even done the calculations to show it is
illogical
- It’s
not worth the time to forage and gather all these low-calorie foods
when there are large animals around
- A
good analogy is if you are going to eat the same amount of meat
from birds than you could from one moose the amount of time that
goes into getting the birds is enormous, it is so much more
effective to go after the moose
- There
is a problem with the anti-meat activists, people don’t understand
how this could affect the Saami people
- It’s
always the people in the city that are trying to “be better than
nature”
- It’s
the people that are working with nature that should be making these
policies
- Reindeer and moose turn leaves and pine needles
into meat… you can’t grow crops there
Find Frendrik’s amazing knives and
other work http://www.fredrikprost.com